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FREEZONE BIBLE ASSOCIATION TECH POST



TAPE TRANSCRIPT (SHSBC LECTURES) "LEVEL VII" SHSBC-415



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STATEMENT OF PURPOSE 



Our purpose is to promote religious freedom and the Scientology

Religion by spreading the Scientology Tech across the internet.



The Cof$ abusively suppresses the practice and use of

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stamped out as heritics.  By their standards, all Christians, 

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to be squirrels of the Jewish Religion.



The writings of LRH form our Old Testament just as the writings

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We might not be good and obedient Scientologists according

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We ask for the same rights, namely to practice our religion

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CONFIDENTIAL SHSBC TAPE LECTURE



LEVEL VII



SH Spec-52 renumbered 415, 23 Feb 65,  Level VII <confidential>



Thank you.  Thanks a lot.  I thank you.  Appreciated,

appreciated.  Nobody did that in Spain, although when we

left, when we left, you would have thought we, the whole

foundation of the area we'd been living in had been pulled

out from under, the people turning out to see us and say

goodbye, and tears in their eyes and all very wild.  And I

see I've been gone quite a while - what's the date?  



Audience: the 23rd  



The 23rd of February, the 23rd of February.  That's right.



Mary Sue looks younger and, and you didn't really know, but

she's the shortest-eared burro in the world.  



Audience: we didn't hear that.



It's the shortest-eared burro in the world.  Time you've 

carried the huge bags of photographic equipment over hill 

and dale.  John Lawrence offered to go down and, and carry 

my photographic equipment for me and so forth, over the 

hill and dale, and I said, "Oh no, John," I said, "This 

is, this is mainly a matter of putting my foot on a rail 

and sleeping it all away, don't you see? And I'm not going 

to be very ambitious and so forth."  Well, as soon as

I got down there, I got ambitious.  And there was nobody

around but Mary Sue, and she gainly started packing all

sorts of baggage over her shoulder.  And I kept noticing

that the, kept noticing that the burros, you know, that the

Spaniards use down there and so on, they were really

recalcitrant, so she started getting recalcitrant.  She,

you know, she wouldn't climb over a pile of rocks or

something like that.  So I started calling her a burro, and

then I noticed, oddly enough, that she was the

shortest-eared burro in the whole world. 



She did very fine.  The only thing that she did wrong, she

did something wrong while she was gone, and that is to say

she petted a cactus.  Now the, the Spaniards do something

weird, they pull the spines, they use the cactus for

decoration, they pull all the spines out with a pair of

tweezers.  Pretty wild, you know, who'd ever think of doing

that?  And so, she saw one of these cactus, and she was

going around looking at a lot of them, and she didn't

realize they hadn't gotten the LITTLE spines apparently. So

ever since, every few days, why, we'd pull another cactus

splinter out of her hand. Little tiny things.



But otherwise, we had a good time and everything is fine. 

And it was cold in Spain, cool in Las Palmas.  And there is

no winter vacation area over on the European side, North

of, I think, Liberia or something like that.  And you have

to go quite a while but, quite a ways, but anyway, they're

getting faster and faster aircraft and I'm very, very close

to not needing any aircraft anyway.  Symptoms of this are

turning up.  Well, we had a good time and mainly I got a

good long distance look at everything.  I did quite a bit

of research and I cracked Level VII.  I haven't RUN Level

VII, I haven't finished Level VI by an awful long ways. 

But all of a sudden, one fine day toward the end of

vacation, actually it was on the boat coming home, and I

was sitting there and I took a look and all of a sudden,

realized that although I hadn't run VI, I found out there

was something over there, and what was that, and suddenly

realized I was looking at Level VII.  And you talk about

being right, my god, how right can you get?  



Level VII, of course, is the 8 Dynamics.  And we're right

back at the beginning. It's the 8 Dynamics, and you run

them out, and that's Level VII.  And it isn't experiential

track and it's not very hard to do.  In fact, it's so easy

to do that I'm having a hard time not doing it.  I know

I've got to finish Level VI, and when I discovered it and

so forth, plus my stomach, too - too much, don't you see, I

mean, it's like a little boy and he's been wishing for a

lollipop, you know, and somebody gives you an ice-cream

factory.  And you're stomach goes, you're stomach turns

cold as ice, you see, and somatics chasing all over the

body and me and so forth, while I was looking at this

stuff. You know, it's just, just, but that's me, you know,

to try to climb that escalator vertical.  And it's right

there.  And oddly enough, there isn't anything more to find

out about it.  I got it all taped, I got its patterns and

actions and everything else.  It only took me about 45

minutes, when I'd finally seen it, to see the whole thing. 

And it's not very complicated and you probably could run

out Level VII, I don't know, in two or three sessions.



But, you see, to make myself more, more, more clear,

there's the ancient question of "Are we one or are we

individuals?"  Well, I told you, someday we'd have to solve

that, so that's solved.  And what's this stuff? ((pounding

on podium))  Well, you see, there isn't anything much

beyond this because then I found out that you don't really

have to destroy the MEST universe to get out of it.  It's

an INDIVIDUAL proposition.  It appears to be a collective

proposition but it's not, it's an individual proposition. 

And you can go ahead of it in time, back of it in time, you

can go out of it, it can still be there, you don't have to

destroy it - you don't have to destroy it for everybody. 

That was one of the things I was a little bit worried

about, oddly enough.  If I ran out the MEST universe, would

it still be here for anybody else?  Seemed to me to be a

bit of an overt.  And you can run out the MEST universe and

it's still there for other people. You don't have to be in

it and you don't have to NOT be in it, you know?  But

that's Level VII. And so, the vacation wound up in a, in a

very high-peak win, in spite of it being cold and so forth.



But one, one, about the only thing that really happened

that was of very great interest is I found that

psychologists were wrong again.  And although that isn't

news, it's interesting to find a point.  I've been told by

them that animals don't commit suicide and I've even

thought myself that animals didn't commit suicide, and

that's not true.  I ran across an animal that committed

suicide and he was a bear, a big Alaskan brown bear, that

they had in a zoo down in Las Palmas.  And the way this zoo

got started is of some interest.  Columbus shoved off from

Spain to discover the New World and his first stop was the

Canary Islands, which had already been conquered by Spain

about a century or so before, or less than that.  And he

stopped off and spent a bit of time and then, of course,

after he discovered America, why, he called in at the

Canary Islands again.  And before he got back to Spain, at

one of his, his way stop was the Canary Islands, so

actually, he got to the Canary Islands before he got back

to Spain.  Well, the Canary Islands are very "aufey" -

savvy, to go French on you, the kids are studying it so I

have to - the Canary Islands are very knowing on the

subject and very up to snuff on the subject of the

discovery of the New World.  And they probably know more

about it than they do in Spain.  And the natives down there

still sell models of Columbus's various ships, you know,

all these things die out slowly, they still carve and sell

these little wooden models, it's the Nina and Pinta and

Santa Maria.  Anyway, there's a museum down there, there's

Columbus House and so forth, "Columbus slept here" -

actually, that's what they tell you - and a lot of his

relics.  And when he came back from the New World, well, of

course he gave them some Cheerios and so forth, and

apparently started them a zoo. 



And the zoo has been going on ever since, but not the same 

animals. And one of these animals in the zoo, there's a pair 

of them and actually, one additional one in some other cage, 

but a pair of, of Kodiak bears, of a smaller edition, and the 

Spaniards didn't know that bears hibernate.  Although the 

Kodiak doesn't do too much hibernation, he nevertheless is a

hibernating animal, a bear is, and they wouldn't let this

old bear go to sleep, but kept turning him out to do his

stuff for the visitors.  Typical Spanish treatment of

animals, you know, they're very rough on animals.  And they

kept turning this bear out and they're ripping him out of

the cement cave that he would get curled up in and he'd

finally gotten very sick.  And the temperature down there

was running, daytime and so forth, about 60, 65 and so

forth, and it's very cold to the Spaniards, so he

considered the bear was getting sick because it was "cold"

weather.  Well, naturally, this bear, probably before he

saw the zoo, and his breed and so forth would consider 40

like London considers "a sweltering 77 in London today."  I

mean, that is a headline, a serious headline.  But he'd

consider 40 degrees a "sweltering 40 degrees," you see? 

And they kept turning him out and he got sick, and he

started to protest on the basis of getting very sick and he

was a VERY sick bear, one of the sickest bears I've ever

seen.  He'd go into shivers and ice cold and his legs

wouldn't hold him up and he'd get frozen in one spot, don't

you see, and then all of a sudden, why, he'd get red hot

and start panting and so forth.  And he had fever and

chills the like of which I never saw, and he was weak as a

cat.  The other bear in the cave was, of course, stark

staring stir-crazy and she'd attack him all the time., and

life was just to grim.  And he was about the least climbing

bear that anybody ever, that breed doesn't climb anyhow. 

And that iron cage came up to the top and met in the

middle, very high and very difficult to do anything with, a

monkey would have had a hard time climbing it.  And that

bear, a few days later, climbed up to the top of the cage,

all god-knows-how-many pounds of him, in this horrible

state of not being able to walk, he climbs up to the

top of the cage, gets to the total top crown of the cage,

and drops on the cement.  That was the end of the bear. The

most forthright case of suicide I think I ever saw in my

life.  So apparently, animals DO commit suicide, because HE

sure did.  Only one of the few interesting stories we ran

across.



Of course, one runs across lots of interesting stories, but

this, we, we saw the bear and we knew the bear and it

happened while we were right there. Fantastic situation.



Well, I see I've been gone an awful long time because this

student list goes pretty long and some of you have been

here for quite a while, and so it will seem strange to you

to be introduced at this particular moment. Nevertheless, I

am going to introduce you one by one.  Stand up and take a

bow Ron Pook.  Cal Rigney.  Val Rigney.  Constance

Flemming.  Joe Gains. Peter Rost.  Wally Pallas.  And

Barbara Poole, to whom I owe a considerable favor.  She,

she acted as another burro.  Thank you, Barbara.  Dorothy

Knight.  Laura Printer.  Roger Throw.  David Hollywell. And

Nan Beardsley.



And Arthur Francis.  And last but not least, a retread,

Leon Bosworth.  Well, I see in, in calling that role, most

of you, most of you newcomers are in very good shape and

everything is cheerful, and some of the others have some

overts, so I will be watching that.  Now on, on the basis

of I don't want to have missed a withhold, so I call to

your attention the fact that I have already announced it so

I haven't missed it.  Alright.  Well, I'm very glad to see

you here. And I'm glad to see the rest of you and I'm glad

to see that you're getting along the line. 



I noticed there's been a few separations, but you should be

having a ball.  I noticed you had an alter-is in one of the

processes, you were doing some listing you shouldn't have

been doing on Level VI.  Yeah, there was some listing going

on that shouldn't have  been done and it was slowing down

your tone arm action, but that's all straight.  And then

you've got, you've got a wide-open road on that particular

level because right now, I'm, I'm just putting up the,

putting up the rack of GPMs.  But let me give you a little

comment here, just as we, as we go in passing here, R6EW

and so forth is not about to fade from view.  Let me call

to your attention that when you bring a	student in onto R6,

he is for the first time on solo audit.



It's going to take him some time to get used to that, to

run a meter.  And about that time, he learns why a meter

works and he learns all sorts of things about auditing,

which is quite remarkable.  It's a very educational action

for him to undertake.  In addition to that, he does several

other things in that he finds out why he has been operating

the way he has been operating and so forth, and he gets

himself pretty well settled down.



Now, at that point, if he cannot get tone arm action with

R6EW, he has no business at the level in his auditing. He's

back there, he's unable to talk to the auditor, don't you

see, and he's got too many worries about his PTPs and he's

got this and he's got hidden standards.  And he's got the

Book of Case  Remedies, and he has no business at the

level.  So at that moment, if it's too grim and too

gruesome, he can be taken off and jumped through the Book

of Case Remedies and put in some kind of condition and run

from the bottom up till he's back up there case-wise.  You

see, you can run any process on him, there is no process

that is barred out.  Just because he's been on R6EW does

not spoil ANY lower level process, you see, you can run any

of them.  Now therefore, it gives us, it's very important

that we have this, it gives us this breathing spell because

the truth of it is if you ran him into actual GPMs, they

would run just enough to get him into the channel of the

GPMs and start him down the line.  And it would go just

enough to get him completely smeared in and after that, you

couldn't run anything on him that had words [endwords] in 

it.  In other words, it'd be a near thing.  He could be fished 

out of this, but it would have to be very delicately done.  

In other words, he's gone in over his head and as a PC, he's

wandering around in a lost state somewhere in the reactive

bank, don't you see, and now to pull him out of this with

some junior process becomes a very difficult thing. 



That is what is wrong with R6 and that is R6, the biggest

problem, and that is why R6 is only being taught at St.

Hill, you see, because when this sort of thing happens,

it's quite catastrophic.  Well, that WAS happening here for

a while and I always run a very heavy pilot, right where I

can straighten it out right up close, before I let any

dynamite package like this go OUT very far.  And it's,

that's why it's only being taught at St. Hill.  It is

solved now, however.  It is an intricate level and it can

get so much good that we just know very well somebody, if

it was released to broadly, who, who should be being

trained at Level O, don't you see, why, somebody would be

ambitiously for a quick buck or something like that, trying

to audit or train him at Level VI.  We already have an

example of somebody who's running a group someplace or

other, and he, he had them all on Level VI, you know, of

what he thought was Level VI, and we had another thing of a

guy bringing somebody on and audit him for a short time

and, and then a perfectly green PC, turning him loose with

an e-meter to run Level VI on himself.  Well of course the

guy just had one long parade of catastrophes.  I don't know

that anybody DIED as a result of it, but it could easily

have happened.



So anyway the, this was an important, this was an important

step, to find some way to put somebody into Level VI and

get him accustomed to solo audit, and find out whether or

not he could take it, without actually getting him into the

middle of the reactive bank so that he couldn't be rescued.



And that process is R6EW, so you're going to see that

around for a long time. And that is your bridge process.

It's quite an amusing process in that you have cognitions

like mad, but you finally get up to a point, when you run

through R6EW-S in sixes and when you start getting the

track plotted out - I got, I got the bulk of the track all,

all in sequence.  What, what will happen is, I'll tell you

now the course of action, you, you get to a point finally

where you, where you don't have to audit it to find out

what it, it is.  See?  I mean, you get loose enough on the

thing.  I was very interested, not an hour ago, I felt

cold, you know, and I was just hurrying around trying to

get some things done and I just felt cold, and I was

wondering why I felt cold.  And I, I just took a look and

there were about sixteen end-words lying on it.  And I

said, "Well, what do you know?  That's an awful lot of end-

words."  I didn't bother to go over them, don't you see, I

just whhhhwhhhwhh, look at that mess, you know, not even

auditing, you know, "I-feel-cold, wonder-what's-wrong,

oh-well, look-at-that-mess-of-end-words, you-know, whhwhhh,

so on. It's those sixteen end-words." And I didn't think

anything more about it, it went on for another minute or so

and I said, "Wow!  I've been trying to solve the problem

of, one of these end-words, another end-word entirely, on

which all the remaining sixteen were serving as locks.  In

other words, GPMs operating as locks on GPMs, which is

pretty interesting. 



Anyway,  from that one could extrapolate rather easily that

when a, a poor condition, let's say you didn't run out the

bank, see, when a, when you found yourself in a poor

condition if you went on a, with an elementary process like

R6EW, carried it up to R6EW-S, carried it up to R6EW-P, you

would very shortly find yourself in a position where it

would be by inspection of the same nature as, "Boy, I got a

problem."  You're suddenly, you know, you have a problem,

you just know you've got a problem  You're car won't start

so you know you have a problem.  Well, you don't consider

that auditing, where your bank becomes sufficiently

confrontable and you're up to a point of where it is no

more worry than this.  And it's a little bit weird to me,

to look back at, at a year ago when I could collide

cross-wise with a couple of GPMs that were, get them wrong

or something like this, and practically get the top of my

head torn off or come down with a high fever or something

of this sort, you know, of absolute catastrophe.  You see

now, that compares with, with, "Hmm, stomach feels cold,

oh, I, hmhmhmhm that's about sixteen, about sixteen

end-words have gotten piled up there, what do you know,"

and go on doing what I'm doing.  "Oh well, they're all

serving as locks on any there, well what do you know," and

go on with what I'm doing but not feeling cold.  That's a

bit of a different look, isn't it? 



Because originally, it was a basis of, "We better not fool

with that because that's too close a lock on a GPM."  See?

So your confront on these things comes right on up and the

extrapolated, that is the, the predicted course of action

or the predicted change of condition and so forth, does

take place.



These things become more and more confrontable, you're more

and more able to handle, and you get up to a point of where

they're not worrying you.  They're not worrying you to the

degree that you look through and see the other side of the

fence, you know, and so these, these...  One, the condition

is attainable of that, and the end product of OT is

attainable, that becomes quite obvious on a practical

basis.  And the other thing is, weirdly enough, is

attainable with the processes you've got in R6EW, R6EW-S

and R6EW-P, regardless of running them, running the whole

GPM.  See, that's the other predicted condition.  In other

words, you can get to a point where, you get to a point

where the bank is so thin, it's just blowing.  I mean,

inspection blows it.  Not inspection of it is, is it the

right word and does it fit in the right place, but you just

notice it and it blows, don't you understand, I mean, the

thing has got that much, it's that weakened in command

value.  The command value has become so weak as far as

you're concerned that it can't concern you and it's

aberrative value, of course, is proportionately weak.



And in addition to that, why, it's ability to do anything

to you physically is  proportionately weakened.  I mean,

you're becoming, you're becoming cause over a thing which

before you were the total effect of. You see that happening

while you're running R6EW, R6EW-S and so on.  Very

improbable that you will ever really have to run, or future

auditors in training and so forth, will have to run R6EW-S

or R6EW-P, because what we'll do is we'll find out if the

guy's all right at the R6EW, you see, can he make it go and

can he solo audit and is he OK, and then we'll just start

opening up sections of the cabinet and show him the plot

from the top down, all very accurately done.



Because the probability, by the way, of his colliding with

the accurate plot is so negligible as to be neglectable.

That's a weird thing to say, isn't it, but it's true.  See,

I've had people giving me what they thought the plot was

here for about a year, and they're pretty wrong.  You

probably could attain all this, however, by running if you

ran it long enough - this is a long route, R6EW, R6EW-S,

R6EW-P - you probably could attain the final blowing of the

bank.  But that's a long route, you see, now you're looking

at a couple of years of auditing or something like that, if

you're going at it.



Not very intensive auditing, a couple of years of the kind

of auditing you, you get when you're not at St. Hill, you

see, you know, now and then sort of a thing, session a week

maybe, if you're lucky, or something like that. Well, it'd

still take you a couple of years to, to do this all the

way, whereas, you're looking at in terms of running time

and so forth, you're looking at about three months of

auditing to a total clean OT.  That's what you're looking

at right now is about three months of, of hammer and tongs

auditing to go on up the line to, to total OT.



When you get up to total OT, you find yourself still in

this universe.  Well, you're cause over matter, energy,

space and time, that's absolutely true. 



Perfect definition, you're cause over it, in this universe.

And your causation is not anything absolute, don't you

see, it's because you've  still got, you've still got 8

Dynamics.  And if you noticed that there are seven Dynamics

flanking the 6th Dynamic.  See? So Level VII in actual fact

is, is, is an odd way to number it because you say it

really, really it should be Level VIII if there are eight

Dynamics in connection with it.  It's very possibly true,

but in actual fact, you'll find out that you're only really

handling seven of them.  You prove, I've got the other one

squared away, but the rest of, it's just the MEST universe.



You've got a bank, don't you see, you've got a reactive

bank.  And what happens when you haven't got a reactive

bank?  Well, we've never assumed otherwise that that a

person would be in the physical universe with no reactive

bank.  That's perfectly accurate, see? What happens then? 

His next bank, of course, IS the physical universe.  That

IS the next bank.  The universe of trolley cars and buses

and brick walls and Everest, what's that?  Well, that's a

bank.  You could describe it as such and it is as such.  I

notice nobody gets out of it.  I notice they leave and kick

the bucket, and they're right back in the bank again. 



Every once in a while, science fiction boys will worry

about other universes and moving around in various

universes, particularly after they've read Dianetics and

Scientology textbooks.  And, but factually, even Wells and

so forth was running into, he, he never considered he would

get outside the physical universe.  It's only occasionally

that some science fiction writer will mention going into

another universe.  And they speak then, that is sort of

this universe, but there is a this universe with a time

warp in it, you know, or a space warp, or it's "this

universe with a..."  Well, they're off the string to the

degree that, it's NOT, you don't go from this universe to

another universe, see, you have to, you don't move into

another universe because you've moved out of this universe.



You see?  And it's a very hard situation to grasp, you

see, you feel your brains creak when you're trying, trying

to grasp the thing originally, which is what was happening

to me in trying to cognite on this thing.  What was this

all about?  Well, when you, well, you don't have to have a

bank, you see, you put it in this category - you don't have

to have a bank.  You don't have to every time you, you have

some thought that you shouldn't have or something of the

sort that clobbers in the back of the neck with a somatic

or, or something like this.  You don't have to have a bank,

you'd perfectly comfortable without one, and you can think

much better than the bank can, I assure you, particularly

when you finally find out to your horror what is IN the

bank and what the basic motivation of Man is.  Too

incredible for words, it's all backwards to anything

anybody would think, you see, "The thetan is basically good

so he made a bad bank because everybody else was bad and

then, if we ALL had this bad bank, then we wouldn't do all

these bad things."  Hey.  Well, this bad bank proposition,

well, a person would be much better off if he didn't have

the bank and that's quite obvious, even on a short-term

look.  A fellow runs part of his bank out and he can now

start functioning better, you know,  he, he doesn't have

asthma anymore and he can think and he doesn't get the

jitters and start screaming just because a girl with nylon

stockings walks through the room, you know, something like

that.



So, he's getting along much better, he's much more

effective and that sort of thing - no bank.  Alright.  That

little section of the bank is gone, so he's more effective,

you see?  By extrapolation, if the whole bank's gone, he'd

be terrifically effective.  And true, he is, he never

dreamed how effective he really is, see?  Well now that's,

that's perfectly observable, you see, because that's finite

observation.  Well, if you apply the same thoughts to the

MEST universe, you've got it answered.  Clearly, it's un-,

you know, the hard thing is that, "What would you do if you

didn't have a MEST universe?"



You know?  Well, psychiatrists and psychologists today

think the same thing about a bank, "What would you do if

you weren't neurotic?"  See?  "What would I do if I weren't

crazy?"  Well, so you can get into that same state of mind

about a reactive bank that everybody IS in about the

physical universe., see, "What would I DO without it?" 

What do you do WITHOUT one? What the hell have you got one

for?  What, what you got to have a road for?  You know? 

And you say, "Well, what are you, what are you talking

about, what do you got to have a road for?  You can walk on

it, you can drive on it and you, it's a very useful road

and it's a very nice road and it's a very nice thing to

have a road."  Yeah, it's a very nice thing to have a road

and I don't really know why you have to have a road if all

you have to do is have a road.  You get the point?  That

seems to be much more interestingly direct, it seems to me

you'd get into lots more interesting games in very peculiar

ways if all you had to do to have a road was have a road. 

ROAD, you know?  See a traffic cop running on your road, NO

ROAD. 



You talk about a random, life would become very, very, very

interesting.  A guy would have to be in complete apathy to

want things as dull as having a universe all laid out,

predictable all the time.  Every time you look at your

watch, five, five minutes from the last time you looked at

your watch, it's five minutes later.  Crazy business, you

know?  Well, it's like a fellah in a cage, it's like, I

guess, animals get in zoos.  "At five o'clock, the keeper

is going to come and feed us and that's, we have to have

that."  So nice and certain.  "All we have to do is sit

here in this cage and at five o'clock, the keeper will feed

us.  And if we WEREN'T sitting in this cage, we wouldn't

get fed at five o'clock."  You see the logic?  Well, that's

actually the logic that a thetan uses to account for the

MEST universe and so forth, and he's just security-happy,

he's got to have security.  He's in complete apathy about

being able to do anything himself, so he, he's got to have

all this total security and the least randomity drives him

out of his mind.  Don't you see?



Well, to give you an idea, what would happen if the sun

started moving backwards?  Without any phenom, without any

geological cataclysm, see, but if just all of a sudden, you

woke up one morning, the sun was over in the West and it

was traveling to the East - or it got to noon and went into

a spiral for a while.  Do you realize what would happen out

here in the streets?  Can you envision the streets of

London while that was going on? Boy, would the Catholic

church make money!  You can predict that, too.  But now,

that's, well, everybody'd go frantic. Well, why would they

go so frantic?  Well, because it's destroyed their un,

their certainty and their predictability.



Well, why do they got to have this much predictability? Why

shouldn't the sun move to ten o'clock and stay there till

August?  "Oh, Bill, Bill, you forgot to move the sun!"

"Hey, that's your hat."  "No it isn't.  We changed hats

last Tuesday."  "We did not."  "Yes, we did."  "You forgot

to fill up the ocean.  Well, who's responsible for mocking

up the ocean here this week?" "Oh, they don't need any

ocean, we had to have a desert scene.  The only place we

could find for it was the middle of the Pacific Ocean." 

"What Pacific Ocean?"  "Physical universe Pacific Ocean." 

"Oh, you want to look at the physical universe Pacific

Ocean?  Well, alright, go take a look at the physical

universe Pacific Ocean."  "I can't.  I've run it out.  I'm

not crazy like that anymore."  Then you say, "Well, what

happened to it?  If everybody else has got it mocked up,

why, what happened to it?" 



The truth of the matter is it never was there, it never IS

there and it never WILL BE there.  Just, everybody's got it

there.  So the end product of things look something along

in that view, don't you see?  You can, you can have it, you

can have it, you can have it and you can go on seeing it

and that sort of thing.  And you can undoubtedly vary it or

alter it to a considerable marked degree, but when you

think of varying and altering, don't just think of the

physical universe. If you're going to vary and alter MEST,

why have you got to pick on the MEST of the physical

universe to vary it and alter it.  Vary and alter your own

MEST.  Joe and Bill have got a piece of MEST, so they vary

it and alter it.  I don't see why they have to vary and

alter Gibraltar. They COULD vary and alter Gibraltar, you

see, at the same time and it'd get varied and altered for

other people, but it would get varied for people to the

degree that they were aberrated by it, to the degree they

were overwhelmed by the bank. 



You wonder why 8-C works, well, oddly enough, 8-C of course

is a cousin, not to Level VI, but is a cousin to Level VII.

And you wonder why people suddenly have leaped out

hospital beds on having read Dianetics, Evolution of a

Science, or something of that sort.  You were cheating out

some little piece that they had in disarray at Level VII,

NOT at Level VI.  And then the reason you got gains on your

subjective processes and so forth, is because you were

doing things to Level VI.  So you remember for years and

years and years, we've had subjective and objective.  Well,

subjective - of course, Level VII is also subjective to the

degree that it is your bank, don't you see, but you'll get

over that because you, that, you have to do a weird little

trick with logic to get that thing squared out. 



In other words, the situation is simply that subjective

processes, or think or figure processes or processes like,

any of, practically any of your, your repetitive processes,

ARC Straightwire, see, they were influencing Level VI and

they were taking locks off Level VI.  You following?  They

were straightening out the mental, purely mental masses.

And so therefore, they were keying out bits of the reactive

mind and that's what a subjective process was.  And then,

an OBjective process is a Level VII process, that

familiarized and accustomed a person to his, the MEST

universe bank, see, his, his OTHER bank.  And that's why

you would very often find somebody that you could run and

run and run and run and run and they wouldn't have a single

comm-lag on level, on 8-C.  You know, they could just run

and you say, "Now look at that wall, walk over to that

wall, go on and touch that wall..."  The guy does it and

does it and does it.  When you finish up, he's no better. 

I know it's, it was seldom this happened but it did happen

every once in a while.  You'd get one PC out of about ten

or fifteen in HGCs that you run them on 8-C and they..  And

we explained it on the basis you couldn't develop a commlag

so the process was to high for them.  How ABSOLUTELY

correct.  We were trying to run them on a Level VII

process.  See?  That, that was their, the harmonic, the

lower harmonic of Level VII.  We were making them touch

walls, don't you see, and they were actually putting the

universe back.  You know, there are people around who had

walls right up against their faces and all kinds of weird,

because of course, nobody REALLY knows how the MEST

universe looks to anybody else.  You see?  And they had

people who had different universes, they've got them in,

they've got them in insane asylums all the time and it's

not necessarily something subjectively wrong with them at

all.  That's OBjectively wrong with them.  It isn't because

their mind is giving them a wrong world, don't you see,

their mind isn't giving them anything - their mind as we 

would think of it or know it and that sort of thing, would 

be Level VI - there's nothing wrong with their mind.  There 

is something wrong with their environment.  They've just 

merely got an aberrated VII, see, it didn't have to be 

aberrated at VI at all. 



See, this guy's got it fixed up so that all walls are 45

degree angles and he could even have it aberrated

objectively to the point where he was dealing with some

"when Knighthoods were in flower" timewarp, so dragons keep

walking in through the front door, the dragons might walk

in through the front door, they might even bite him, maybe

he, or maybe not.  You see, we describe it as DELUSION. 

But that, that says there's something wrong with his MIND,

you see, in HERE, see, an introverted error.  No, it's an

EXTROverted error. See, it isn't "in here" that's wrong

with him, it's THERE that's wrong with him, you see,

although HE's influencing THAT, of course, and so forth.

But dragons keep walking in that door, man, ohoooh.  And

you try to tell one of these fellows, "There's no bugs on

you."  The truth of the matter is, there is no bugs on the

patient in the psychiatrist's view of Level VII.  But in

the patient's view of Level VII, there are bugs on the

patient, so something has gone wrong with VII.  So, if you

can make the guy merely pay attention to what he is calling

and mocking up the physical universe - locational

processing, 8-C, where is the indicated object, such things

as that - you find some remarkable things happen.  You can

also do this odd thing, you think you're running problems

and you're not, you say, "Well let's, let's spot all the

places where this fellow is having any trouble in his life,

and let's just have him sort of indicate where they are. 

You're, you're NOT handling his Level VI difficulty with

problems.  What you're handling is, you're handling his

Level VII difficulty with locations.  See it's not, it's

not the GPMs that have got him going, you follow me, it's,

it's...  See, he hasn't got, he hasn't got the Bide-a-Wee

Biscuit Factory four or five miles over that way where it

belongs, he's IN the Bide-a-Wee Biscuit Factory while YOU

are trying to audit him.  And probably, your voice sounds

peculiar to him, too, because trying to audit across a

distance of four or five miles, it's difficult. 



You know children, you say get the child into the

classroom.  Well, what if some of those children are

actually still outside playing?  And not, not anybody

thinks they're outside playing, you see they're, the, the

road which they have the viewpoint of, they don't have to

be out there playing, you got the idea, they are where they

are but they are outside playing because that's where they

are although they are sitting in front of you and you're

talking to them.  You get the idea.  Well, they've got, in

essence, and aberration on the VIIth.  Because of great

desire to be outside, they actually put outside where they

ARE, but not really put it there, but REALLY put it there,

don't you see, but they don't put where they ARE there

because they don't want to BE there, don't you see, they're

not putting up a 7th Dynamic.  What the hell you going to

do with them?  They, they, you, you get read on the meter

that they were outside playing, but that's, that's what

they've got out there, but they really don't dare mock it

up very boldly, you see, you're liable to see it, too.  All

kinds of, you see how it gets pretty weird when you start

trying to pick your way through it in relative to, relation

to.  So, a child, we have said we had to get the child into

the classroom before we could teach him, so therefore,

locational processes or something like that, were very

good.



Now, it was Level VI which ruined creative processing

because creative processing really, although it touched VI

slightly and would have alleviated VI slightly, creative

processing in actual fact affected Level VII.  It's the

exercise by which he was actually putting up the physical

universe.  And that was old creative processing.  Now, when

you could get that working on somebody, it worked like a

bomb.  But what was wrong with it and why it got

booby-trapped - the "Step 6 effect" we used to call it -

what happened was, his bank would start getting more solid.



Well, he actually, because the bank GPMs is full of the word 

"create" strung from one end to the other, don't you see, 

his, his reactive mind would get in the road of his making 

the physical universe, you see, and you couldn't run the 

process because HE was addressing it at Level VI and it 

wouldn't work unless it were addressed at Level VII.



Don't you see?  So, Level VI booby-traps Level VII and

keeps it from operating.  So therefore, creative

processing...  I've had, I've had auditors come, "Why did

you ever go off there, I had wonderful results with it,"

you know, "Oh, this and that and the other thing and so

forth."  Well, all he had to see was one guy go green when

his bank started to get totally solid to say, "Well, if

that happened one PC out of a hundred, that would be too

many times, so therefore, it's a very dangerous process,

the devil with it!" Don't you see?  And at the time it was

released, I hadn't run into that hundredth guy, don't you

see, although I had enough cases to make it look perfectly

all right, ran all right on me and ran all right on anybody

I audited, and then all of a sudden, started colliding with

the person it DIDN'T run all right on.  He was about one

out of a hundred or something like that, you see, so we

found this stray.  So right away, why, we threw it away and

didn't use it any more and so forth, but it will make a

Clear.  Well, one of the reasons it'll make a Clear is

because it moves so it sort of keys out VI and puts a

person more solidly in VII, and he finds himself in a

somewhat apparently Clear state in the physical universe,

yes, the APPARENCY because what you've done is really

straighten out the physical universe for him and it wasn't

straightening out his mind at all. You were straightening

out his view of the physical universe is what was being

straightened out.  It was NOT, then, a mental exercise, it

was a full straight forward THETAN exercise which corrected

the out-of-controlness of his making the physical universe.

See, this was so badly out of control and so aberrated and

so far adrift, so messed up, that he could no longer mock

himself up a good physical universe.

 

The walls came in on him, you know?  And so, you give his

some practice in mocking things up and where it worked, it

was impinging on the fact that he was moving the physical

universe, getting rid of that automaticity to the degree

that it would stabilize into his basic automaticity of

making it, see, and you get rid of just his, the aberrated

nature, the aberrated, the degree that he was aberrated on

the subject of being aberrated.  You, you follow that?  In

other words, he's already aberrated so that he was

obsessively making a physical universe and then this had

inverted.  That word we use occasionally, which means that

THAT aberration had become, in its turn, aberrated.  You

follow?  So, he no longer, he no longer can do a clean job

of this.  Then, when you gave him a little practice in

mocking things up or a LOT of practice in mocking things

up, you take the aberration off the basic aberration.  The

basic aberration, therefore, stayed the way it was and he

felt fine.  See, you've taken...  He's still crazy, but now

he was HAPPY to be crazy.  Well, that's a good comparison.

The guy was unhappy about being crazy and with a little

exercise of creativeness, why, he got happy about being

crazy.  But everything was better, yeah, that's right, it

was better.



I think there was even a movie on it one time called

"Harvey."  Harvey, stage play, a guy saw a rabbit all the

time.  He had a very cheerful rabbit around with him all

the time, and the doctor said he would get unhappy and mean

if you took his rabbit away from him and they took his,

they took his rabbit away from him and he became very

unhappy. Happy-crazy and unhappy-crazy. 



Anyhow, [Gap in tape. Might be - Anyhow, they took the pc's

home universe away from him and he became unhappy-crazy]



Well, when I got that, then was able to go back and do some

0 to IV with great accuracy and knock out a lot of things

and so forth.  Well now, having come to grips here with VII

and seen that it's there, you don't even have to have a

release point, see, a guy can see it, figure out what's

there.  I've got to get, I've got to finish VI before I can

tackle VII and that's very hard to do, by the way.  And I

sit down solo auditing feeling, "Why wait to go on VII, why

don't I get rid of all those icepicks?"  I don't know,

well, we got, all of a sudden, I get HORRIBLE somatics,

don't you say, and WAAAAH and vooo.  Talk about trying to

audit yourself over you're head, you know, it's very

intriguing, so I have to suppress it.  That isn't so good

either, so I run the suppression off and get on with VI.

(he laughs)  The net gain here has been to get another look

and realize that there were, all the time, these two

approaches to the bank, the subjective and the objective,

the subjective process, the objective process.  There were,

there were two things you could do with the bank just like

there are two things, significance and mass, those are the

two things you address.  Now, you can address those things

in two ways, which is kind of weird, significance and mass,

but you can handle them SUBjectively and you can handle

them OBjectively.  So, you get the significance and mass

subjective, and the significance and the mass OBjective.



You say, "That is a door."  Well, that is the significance

and mass objective.  You ask some little kid, "What's in

the room?" and they will tell you there's a door and

there's a ceiling and there's a floor and so forth.



Well, that's the mass and the significance, that's an

objective process. Well, what it's actually treating is the

penchant the thetan has to put in the physical universe out

there, see, he's working on...  Actually, I keep saying

physical universe because mine keyed in and so forth.

There's all eight Dynamics out there, not just the 6th.

And, he's, well, when he sees flowers, don't you see, why,

he's into the 5th and, and he's, but that's out there, and

it's got a significance and a mass, you see, it's got a

name, a form and an apparent purpose, a relationship to the

physical universe let's it's, or two other flowers or two

gardeners or something like that, so that's the

significance.  And then there is the mass of the flower and

of course, to have mass, you've got to have some space

around it to separate the mass, but that's there, that is

it.  It isn't because something is wrong in here that makes

that it, don't you see, any wrongness is right over there

where it's it. 



See, the guy, but there is a bank in here that gives you

another set of values of the wildest and craziest sorts and

directions and so forth, but that has to do with behavior

of specific significance and mass that has to do with the

behavior and attitude.  A person's behavior and attitude is

what is regulated on the type of subjective process, and

his observation and, well, there's ability, and behavior

and attitude as part of ability too, but his perceivability

as perception in the by and large, and whether or not he's

got solid walls, and whether or not he can walk out of

houses, you see this, those things depend on that other

zone of aberration, see, which is the OBJECTIVE zone of

aberration.



And if this guy can't walk out of houses, it isn't because

something is in his mind saying, "I can't walk out of houses."



You follow that?  It, it isn't something in the bank that

says, "I can't walk out of houses" or "trouble is out

there, HOUSE."  See, it's nowhere else than where it is, in

other words, is what I'm trying to say to you.  he trouble

with this fellah, he says, "I could never leave the house,"

well then, don't audit him on a subjective process.



Oddly enough, you'll run into GPMs that'll account for it.

There's a whole series of six that account for getting

stuck in houses.  After you've run, after you've run these

however, why, you find out that you still aren't as happy

about going out and dashing around outside of houses as

you'd like to be.  And that's because, although there's a,

there's a behavior, an attitude relationship to houses,

there's also HOUSES.  And actually, he's lost the ability

to mock up the outside of a house, over there.  See, he no

longer makes the outside of a house OVER THERE.  He makes

the inside of the house AROUND HERE, so he can't leave a

house.  Do you follow?  So, if you're a very clever

auditor, you could add all this up in this way. Well, do we

audit this PC subjectively or objectively, is he crazy

objectively, is he crazy subjectively?  A fellow had

poltergeists, you would never dream, you know, objects, and

he goes skidding around and objects fly around the room

where he is.  We'd never dream now, what we know now, you 

see, and audit him on a subjective process.  You audit him 

on an objective process.  Well, what is an objective process? 

Well, there are TONS of them, there were tons of them. 



A crossroads, by the way, is because it's so thoroughly

into Level VI and the reactive bank, is have.  So

havingness ran Level VI and Level VII simultaneously.  It

ran "out there" and "in there" too, and therefore, it's

very workable on most people and a little bit steep for

some, and some people it doesn't work on at all.  And then

you have to have all the special brands of havingness to

try to get around this.



Well, they're just not capable of, they're not capable of

auditing two levels simultaneously, they're just not

clever, it's too much for them, so just don't run it.

That's easy.  Run a pure objective or a pure subjective to

straighten them out when you get your can squeeze going

wrong.  Can't get a can squeeze, well, you could probably

correct the can squeeze subjectively or objectively,

compared to whether the PC was aberrated on the subject of

the physical universe because of attitude and behavior or

aberrated on the subject of the, of the universe around him

because he was, had an aberrated physical universe around

him.  You get the idea?  Is his attitude toward the

universe wrong, or has he got a wrong universe?  Now, I

think I've said it a little more comprehensive.



You understand, in talking to you about these things, I

haven't actually had a chance to express them at all, I

haven't written them up, these are your sole notes on all

of this.  Oh well, that's not true, there's about eight

pages of reports on the subject, but it, it doesn't cover

what I'm telling you, it just recovers the exact, precise,

crisp findings.  In other words, you, it gives you an

insight, if you KNOW this then this gives you this kind of

an insight.  PC's can squeeze is down.  Well, it gives you

the choice, then, of whether you get his can squeeze up by

running off the locks of the session, which has been an

introverted type session, see, and that would get his can

squeeze up providing his can squeeze was down because of a

subjective reason, a Level VI reason, a bank reason, a GPM

reason. See?  Suppress Prepchecking is totally subjective. 

Of course, you could prepcheck an exterior object, but it

would have to be the object that is with you right this

minute.  You'd have to give the guy, "Be typewriter," or A

typewriter, and say, "Now, suppress that typewriter."  You

wouldn't be able to say, "Recall a time you have suppressed

that typewriter," don't you see, you'd have to say,

"Suppress the typewriter.  Now unsuppress it.  Suppress it.

Unsuppress it."  All of a sudden, the typewriter would do

something.  "Did you move the roller of the typewriter

again?"  You couldn't say get the IDEA of supressing the

typewriter, don't you see, you just have to exercise, this

is very direct, you have to exercise the PC in relationship

to the object and you've got a, you've got an objective

process.  I don't care how you do it.



You do this with e-meters all the time.  Did you ever have

something funny happen while you were doing reach and

withdraw from an e-meter?  Well of course, you're not very

aberrated on the subject of an e-meter.  But you get

something around that would be really aberrative, don't you

see?  I know, get a fire, burn a fire, get a fire burning,

little wood fire or something like that, and sit a PC down

in front of it and exercise him on the subject of this

fire.  You say, "Reach the fire, withdraw from the..." 

"WHAT?"  "Mm-mm, just gonna run this little process, reach

the fire, withdraw from the.." "(mumble) The hell with

you!"  "No now, come on now, well, how could we phrase this

so that it's runnable?"  "Well, you've given me a lose now

and I wouldn't be able to run it at all."  "Alright.  Well,

we'll start in on this thing on a gradiment, gradient.

Alright." Then, you get smart, don't you see, if you really

know he's putting the physical universe there for himself

and that that is another bank, now you can get very smart. 

And you say, "Alright.  Heat up the fire.  Good.  Cool off

the fire.  Good.   Heat up the fire.  Good."  He'll say,

"How am I supposed to do THAT?"  "Well, just DO it." 

"Well, I can get the idea of.."  "No no no no no, just,

just you know, go nrrr-rrr-rrrrr-rr, heat, and

nrrr-rrr-rrrrr-rr, cold, and nrrr-rrr-rrrrr- rr, that's the

way you're supposed to do that."  "Alright.  If you say

so."



Now this is, this hasn't been done, don't you see, I've

just given you, straight off the cuff, these are

theoretical abstractions as that might occur.  You see?



And so, he does this for a while and he so he goes

ooooo-ssn-mmmmm-mmmmmm and you know his fire is starting

to flicker.  And all of a sudden, HE notices the fire, too.

And you say, alright, well let's, it, 'cause it did get a

bit flat, why...  This, by the way, would probably register

on the e-meter too, because, you know, it's the physical

universe but it would probably be the e-meter registering

back at the PC, don't you see, not the e-meter registering

to the bank, or there'd be something crazy going on.  I

don't know exactly WHAT would go on.  I know the e-meter

will register on the physical universe.  The PC's reaction

to the physical universe causes a registry on the e-meter

as well as the bank reaction, apparently.



Now, you're next, you're next action, you see, of, is to

tell this fellow, "Alright.  Now, reach toward the fire."

"Well, it's gotten brighter."  After a little while, you

say what's your, this is theoretical, "What are you telling

me to do that for?  What do you mean?



Why are you saying toward? Why don't aren't you saying

reach the fire, withdraw from the fire, what's the matter?

You changing the process on me?  You squirrel or

something?" And you say, "Alright.  Reach the fire.

Withdraw from the fire."  It's totally theoretical.  You

don't say put your had into the fire and take your hand

away from the fire.  But, you very possibly, if this was

exercised, it would be very possible if the fellow was up

at, up at, he'd gone through VI and was in VII, this would

be a pipe, but I'm talking about a fellow that's still got

the human characteristics.  And he'd be reaching into the

fire and withdrawing from the fire and reaching into the

fire and withdrawing.  If you got curious, say, "How can

you do that?"  "Well," he'd say, "I never reach into a hot

fire, man, I reach into a cold one."  ((laughter))  Now,

just exactly what would happen if you put a thermometer in

that fire, I wouldn't be prepared to tell you.  I don't

know if it'd only be cold for him, don't you see, or if

it'd be cold for everybody.  That's the point.  These are

little points of interesting speculation which, in due

course, one will get adequate subjective reality on this. 

Subjective reality is right over the hill, it's very close,

too. 



But I myself have seen lamps move and have seen things

happen in various types of process that I never really

competently understood before.  I now know what it's all

about.  I mean, I was doing at the time these things

happened, an objective process.  And of course, spatial

relationships of things change when you do it.  I've often,

I every now and then would be auditing a PC and he'd find

the distance to the wall has shifted.  This is almost

standard of are they getting good reaction out of an

objective process.  By getting a good reaction out of it, I

mean, are they getting any improvement out of it, they

going anyplace with this effective process?  Well very

often, they will make some remark like this but it's

something mild and you wouldn't, you really wouldn't be too

alert because it sounds very mild when they say it.  "Well,

the distance to the wall, the distance to the wall's good

and the room has gotten larger," and so forth.  And you've

heard PCs say that and you've said to yourself, "Well

alright, it just seems to him he's got an idea of this

whole thing."  And it never occurred to you the room had

gotten larger, you know, the room was not, as far as he was

concerned, two feet by three feet.  The room is now eight

feet by ten feet.  Now, you could aberrate it in the other

way around and get the room to get too large, and something

might happen there. 



But this, when you're going up through the levels, they are

not, the processes in them, this was another datum I needed

in order to make a final adjustment of any processes in

there, although I consider them pretty final now at lower

levels, but probably each one should have a little bit and

a piece of an objective and a subjective.  You see?  We

used to do this all the time, where everything was either,

we had an objective and we had a subjective process for

various things.  We used to look out and look in. Now, this

find three spots in your body, three spots in the room, is

oddly enough an objective process, one hundred percent,

because of course, the mind, the reactive bank, is not in

the body.  Just because you're looking into the body is no

reason why you're inspecting the reactive bank.  The

reactive bank is a thing, it's got sort of mushy looking

electronic masses and it's got pictures and locks and other

things associated with this, it is a THING.  Well, the

physical universe and the remaining dynamics, of course,

are themselves a THING.  And that's what we mean when we

say our universe and the other fellow's universe and

everybody's universe, there were three universes, if you

can remember rightly.  Well, that apparently is very true,

there are apparently three universes, but we were speaking

of the reactive bank as meaning one of those universes

where, as a matter of fact, that's a little bit of a curve

in the line.  It turns out that there was HIS universe, you

know, HIS brick walls, and we're not sure right now whether

or not they're his brick walls and everybody's brick walls

or ONLY his brick walls, or exactly what's the status of

these brick walls, because we're right up a bunch, right up

against the ability to disintegrate matter, all these

various phenomena that...  A yogi has been know as a good

yogi if he could, you know, something or other, if he could

levitate, you know, you've heard all these tricks and

nonsense pieces and that sort of thing.  Kid game stuff. 

This, this is a, this is, this is the level you're looking

at.  You see?



Now, exactly the extent and dimension and capability and if

you do it, if it does it for everybody, and if we, if we

blow up the rock of Gibraltar, is it also blown up for

Spain or is it only blown up for England?  A lot of

interesting questions get asked there.  And we can't, of

course, at this instant give a FINAL absolute exclamatory

point answer, what is the condition of this stuff, and so

forth.  All the remaining Dynamics ask a question like what

is a plant?  Is a plant part of another thetan?  Is it

somebody who is keeping his eye on something or other which

keeps it growing?  You know, these are, these are all these

very little interesting bric-a-brac type of questions that

knock around in anybody's head.  You're looking over this

situation and, well, "I.  What do I mean by I?" you see,

and various questions.  Well, they're your, your 7th

Dynamic aspect and the bank as we see it is really not part

of that.  They're quite distinct. 



There's an error in, a very small error, I like to call

these things to your attention, there's an error in the

early materials on Level VI that says you make, this has

been consistently stated and it's now found to be

incorrect, the bank is responsible for the physical

universe.  That is felonious statement.  The bank is

responsible for the physical universe.  No, the thetan is

responsible for the physical universe.  The thetan is

responsible for the physical universe and not via the

reactive bank.  Because he has walked up a GPM that has

time in it is not then the reason why he had time.



Do you follow that?  Well, it doesn't occur at Level VI, I

had two levels together there.  That occurs at Level VII

and is a direct action, and the aberration itself IS time

and not a GPM ABOUT time.  You follow that?  That's a very

subtle difference, nevertheless the other is a little bit

too broad a generality and that, that have to be corrected

to that degree.  But the aberration is time, the aberration

is not having a GPM that gives you time.



See?  See?  And then because you've got a GPM that gives

you mud that makes mud aberrative when you fall into it,

see, the aberration is mud. 



Now, there is a state of mind and a set of agreements at

Level VII which is NOT the GPM bank, and that state of mind

keeps one fixed into the belief and keeps one, that there

is a physical universe, and keeps one fixed also into the

belief that everybody has one bank and one universe in

common.  That is the fixed belief.  It looks like a first

cousin to a GPM, but it's not GPM but it looks like a first

cousin to it.  And that is what is at Level VII.



It's, it's the, the kinks in the thetan that bring about

his belief in the oneness of everything and that kind of

thing.



So anyhow, it's all very fascinating and you should

distinguish between an objective, then, and a subjective

process.  And at any lower level, you could actually get

clever enough to choose which one to run on the PC on the

basis of what you've observed in the PC. This PC's car is a

wreck.  Well, we used to say if you straightened out

various things, his car would be less of a wreck.  Well,

there's a more direct way you could do that. His approach

to the world called car, see, is a 7th Dynamic thing and

therefore if you did an objective process, it would

straighten out faster, you don't have to worry about the

think, you don't even have to worry about his, you see, the

physical universe is not an experiential line and Level VII

doesn't include the experiential line.  You acknowledge the

scape [stray?] engrams and experience and, and that sort of 

thing, they're not there, the experience You see, one of the

things you're stepping out of when you go from Level VI to

Level VII, is you step totally out of the aberration

because of past experience.  That's gone, there isn't any. 

The aberration doesn't stay there because you've had the

past experience.  The past might be there but the

aberration won't be there.  You understand?  So the basis

of the whole idea, I know this is strange to you, you'd

have, there'd no longer be a basic-basic to anything, don't

you see, or anything like that because there wouldn't be a

basic experience you have to trace forward like the first

time you made any MEST.



That would not be the thing, actually the fact that you had

made MEST at some prior moment and so forth, would have no

bearing your having MEST now.  Do you follow?



Well, the whole build up and the compounded nature of

aberration vanishes at Level VI.  You're no longer dealing

with that at Level VII.  Experience now will mean nothing.

So you were in a train wreck yesterday?  So what.  It

doesn't influence your condition today because you were in

a train wreck yesterday.  Do you follow that?  You're not

aberrated because your mother was mean to you anymore,

don't you see, the whole aspect of that.  As a matter of

fact, at that point it appears to be that I would predict

that it would be rather hard to grasp how you could figure

it out so that you could now be aberrated because THEN had

had something happen to you.  See?  You can get that as the

primary aberration that a person is facing all the time

because of Level VI.  I am the way I am because we, they

dropped an atom bomb on my foot one day.  See?  Of course,

that sounds perfectly logical to a human, but it would

sound very illogical at Level VI.  You're in bad shape

because something happenED?  Why?  Brother, how you connect

them things up like that?



You crazy or something?  You say you feel tired because you

didn't have any sleep last night.  Figure this out.  You

feel tired because you didn't have any sleep last night.

Last night, oh, I get it.  When do you feel tired? Oh, you

feel tired now.  Oh, I don't understand that, I can

understand how you could feel tired last night.  You know,

it's last night and you're feeling tired.  OK.  That's a

good game.  You're, you're, as we talk, you're last night

feeling tired.  Yeah, that makes sense.  OK.  I got that so

it's sense to me.  I don't know why you're doing it.

Flexercising or something?



Of course, it's up to you.  You say that that isn't what

you're doing, you feel tired NOW because you were up LATE

LAST NIGHT.  Hmmmm.  How the hell are you doing that? 

Let's see.  Well, you must be living in broadened time, is

that what it is?  Quite a game here, broadened time.  Boy,

you're going to get confused, if you do that.  I wouldn't

do that, if I were you.



And actually, from a rather sane viewpoint, that is more or

less how it would look from Level VII when you try to make

sense of what is humanoid obviousness, it doesn't make

sense anymore.  And you might, maybe you may run across

some materials from lord knows how long ago, you might have

been there at the time, but during the period when I used

to tell you, you couldn't be right and be human? 

Impossible to be right and be human.  And that's absolutely

true.  It becomes incredible from a viewpoint of that upper

level.



You couldn't be.  If you were right to that degree, you

would be at the upper level and you wouldn't be human.  But

to the amount of error that human obviousness looks like

from these points of view, it's, it's just a brain-cracker, 

absolute brain-cracker.  I can, I can bend my own wits 

around and see how it would look, you see, it'd look silly.



I really had a ball when I was going down the line adding

this up, bangity bangity bangity bangity bang, and I was

looking right straight at it, you know, and I was trying to

keep my hair from standing on end and a few things like

that, and just doing a competent job of observer, don't you

see, which you have to.  You can't go off and get a lot of

case run while you're doing this.  What ruins a lot of

people in research is they get case advances. They don't

maintain an objective viewpoint.  They maintain an

aberrated or subjective viewpoint which they don't need.

And it was, it was quite interesting, I could see which way

that was going and boy, you know, I had to drag myself away

from that session with the crook on the neck or I would

have gone right back and started running this stuff out and

I'd probably cut my head off and had the ship sunk in the

middle of the high seas, and lord knows what all would have

happened.  But I had to lay it aside quietly and come home

like a good boy.  The "Now, I'll have at it.  No no, I'm

going to be a very good boy, I'm going to go ahead and

finish the plot of, of the GPM because I've been taught by

experience it isn't very likely to be turned out very

accurately in a long period of time, so I better go ahead

and finish that total plot up and then run them all like a

good boy and, and.."



It's, a lot of it's done right now, I've got a stack of

cards about that high.  And then go on back on up to Level

VII in an orderly progress.  In other words, I will do

exactly what I am advising everybody to do in general.

((laughter))  So, it's a matter of record here that Ron has

for once taken his own advice.  In other words, do as I do

as well as I say.



So anyhow, that's about the extent of it.  It shows that

there's a, we're approaching, we're approaching, just to be

unemotional about it and so forth, the point of all of the

conundrums and all of this sort of thing, and they become

very objectively shaken out, you don't have to be informed

of them particularly, they just shake out.  You, you get

uncrazy on the subject of them and that's a very good

thing.  But it doesn't mean that you're not interested in

participating and so forth, you can get more excited and,

you know, more, more pleasure out of existence because it

isn't kicking you in the head.  And yet, I don't know, I've

probably got 9/10ths of the bank in place and ALL of the

physical universe sitting there staring at me and when I

walk out of that door, I'm going to have to take hold of

the knob.  



So thank you very much.





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